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Post by doctoraicha on Feb 16, 2009 12:30:29 GMT -5
I'm interested in the speculation about Houses and friendships in the next generation. Will the houses be seperated like they are in the books?
I read a lot of next gen fic in which the interhouse rivalry is still there, but the hate and suspicion is much reduced. I HOPE that is the case. Do we have any proofs?
Also, is Albus Potter in Slytherin? I say no. heh.
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Post by birdg on Feb 16, 2009 20:11:03 GMT -5
I love the Next Gen, I've written way too many fics about them.
It's already hinted that they are, with James teasing Al about getting sorted in Slytherin. Now maybe JKR picked out that house to lead into the Snape convo or to hint at Al's sorting but it does show that the Gryffindor/Hufflepuff/Ravenclaw vs. Slytherin dynamic is still going strong. After all, James didn't tease Al that he was going to get into the other two houses.
It could go either way. On the one hand, there's everything we see in the books which would suggest that Slytherin hasn't changed a whit and is still as disliked as ever for it. On the other hand, there's what JKR has said in interviews: that some Slytherins came back to fight and that Slytherin is more "diluted" than it was in the past and "is no longer the pure-blood bastion it once was" which suggests that Slytherin has changed.
I say, "sure, why not" because why not? Especially when it comes to fanfic, putting Al in Slytherin creates instant conflict and conflict is what drives the story. I don't think Harry and Ginny would disown him or say anything but how happy they are for him but I've seen several fics that make it an interesting jumping off point for Al and his parents.
(Likewise, I enjoy fics where little Scorpius Hyperion gets sorted somewhere other than Slytherin. Especially if it's Hufflepuff!)
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Post by pigwithhair on Feb 18, 2009 15:21:55 GMT -5
It appears the Houses remain separated, for the reason BirdG states above. It may be that the rivalry between the Houses is toned down, however. Of course Ron and Harry wouldn't be up on that, having left Hogwarts themselves before the end of the series.
I've wondered if, given what happened, McGonagall and her predecessors didn't combine House tables in the Great Hall and do other things to try and stem the bitterness of the rivalries. Maybe, maybe not.
Given what Ron says about Slytherin in the Epilogue, it may be that the next gen grows up hoping to be Gryffindors just as Ron did. So, given the choice, some of them may chose Gryffindor. I admit that I don't care for reading that the Potter kids are in Slytherin. I'm of the camp that prefers them to be mostly Gryffindors. So yes, I that's where I'd sort young Albus.
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Post by mo on Feb 18, 2009 17:11:54 GMT -5
Generally speaking, I would guess at putting the kids in the houses of their parents, but I think there would be less out-and-out animosity between all the houses than in the Trio era.
One great exception I've read is Maya's "Coda to an Epilogue." (Which, strangely, I cannot find in an active link) This story has Slytherin as outcasts (complete with taunting songs about the final battle from the other kids that end "And the Slytherins ran awaaaaaaaaay" ) and Albus Severus as a total junior diplomat/politician, who ends up asking the Sorting Hat to put him in Slytherin so that he can redeem the standing of that house. I ordinarily am not a fan of the whole "redeem the Slytherins/Death Eaters" stories, as they usually go WAY OOC (both Out of Character and Out of Canon) but here it works, because the points are neither heavy-handed nor absolute.
I'll read stories where the Next Gen are in non-standard houses, but generally, the odd house pariings seem to be a bit off character-wise, as well. For example, I find that many Ravenclaw Rose characterisations paint her as a sort of Badfic! caricature of Hermione, all prim distain and stuck-up nerdiness. If the story is well written, though, I don't see why the odd house hypothesis shouldn't be supported.
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Post by birdg on Feb 18, 2009 17:37:59 GMT -5
Maya became a published author and took all her fanfic off the internet. You might be able to find it in file format if you ask around but you won't find it online.
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Post by mo on Feb 18, 2009 19:42:38 GMT -5
Ah, that explains it. Well, good for her. It does make some sense, it was no accident that that story was standing alone for me in its plausibility...she obviously does an excellent job with characterisation.
Plus? Ron's midlife crisis is expressed solely through an absurd Pornstache. Which, for some reason, cracks me right up.
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Post by vegablack on Feb 19, 2009 2:29:57 GMT -5
If the head master, the professors and the society had any brains at all they'd make sure that they got some control over house animosity and house personality. Two generations of Death Eaters were recruited while they were in Hogwarts and if you count Tom Riddle's friends then three were. The society's needs to change what goes on in that school.
I don't see any Slytherin traits in Albus. He seems more naive and gullible than cunning and doesn't appear to be ambitious either. Of course no one knows what is in the mind and character that the sorting hat seems but I would expect a writer to produce some evidence for putting Albus in Slytherin other than the fact that they would think it was cool.
I'd see Rose in Slytherin before Albus. Hermione had a streak of cunning and ruthlessness that I could see her daughter inheriting. George had a bit of it too. She could have picked some of it up from them.
A lot depends on the story the writer wants to tell and how well he tells it.
I put Scorpious in Slytherin the one time I wrote him. I believe I wrote him as a sympathetic character. I assumed that both his parents had been in Slytherin. I think he would have seen it as part of his heritage. As the house was the house of both his paternal grandparents and much of his paternal family, his father and probably his mother and at least his aunt. He would have seen it at a low ebb and I could imagine him wanting to be part of raising its fortunes.
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Post by birdg on Feb 19, 2009 3:08:43 GMT -5
Agreed. I don't think he has to have all three traits and definitely not all three traits in equal amounts. Sirius never struck me as having much chivalry, Neville and "bold" don't really seem to go together in my mind until his 7th year and what he does there is more outright brave than anything, I can't remember Cho ever being particularly witty, no one would call Crabbe or Goyle cunning...or ambitious, really. But there should be something.
That said, I kind of think the house system is bunk and no better than astrology. I could put almost every major and most secondary characters into two other houses besides their own if not all four. I mean everyone who joined and stayed in the DA gets automatic Gryffindor and Hufflepuff points from me because they've shown themselves to be brave, bold, loyal and striving for justice. If you have someone like Terry Boot, he could already be sorted into three of the four houses. Ravenclaw is what probably fits him best but I doubt he would have done poorly in Gryffindor or Hufflepuff. So I can believe anything with a little effort on the part of the author.
Also, sometimes I wonder if people don't let fandom push their hand on the House issue. Something that's been on my mind a lot as I'm running a next gen fest and I want there to be a way to gently approach the issue. I once wrote a fic where I put Scorpius in Slytherin even though he was coming off as such a total Hufflepuff. But it was a gift for someone as part of a fest so I played it safe and tried to make him the most convincing Slytherpuff I could.
There are a lot of people who are weirdly attached to their personal fanon when it comes to Houses and woe betide the person who doesn't put Rose in Gryffindor (or Ravenclaw, if you must), Albus in Slytherin or Gryffindor (there are no other choices for him which is odd cause I could see him as a nice little Ravenpuff) and Scorpius in Slytherin. I've read great fics where Rose was Hufflepuff, Scorpius was a Gryffindor and Al was a Ravenclaw and I've read perfectly awful fics where they were all where they "should" be.
Fernwithy once wrote a fantastic little drabble with Professor Longbottom musing over this same issue. In it he notices how Slytherin seems to be a hierarchy where one alpha student can have a lot of sway over the House unless another alpha student is able to push them out of the way and get the House to change course.
It's something that's always stuck with me.
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Post by birdg on Apr 30, 2009 13:17:39 GMT -5
Speaking of kiddies, what about Neville and Hannah? Do we think they had any? It's possible they chose not to, JKR never mentioned it, but I like to think they did.
What do y'all think they'd name their kids. I've been struggling to think up names for them myself. "Frank" and "Alice" are popular in fandom but that seems a little too similar to what Harry and Ginny did. Also, Frank and Alice may still be alive so it could be confusing to have two Alices or two Franks running around.
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Post by queenie on Apr 30, 2009 17:04:07 GMT -5
I can totally see Neville naming his children after obscure plants that have symbolic or positive meanings. Like Melantha (flower) or Prosperpine (the goddess of springtime), assuming they go down the fancier path for names. Even just a little girl named May, after the mayflower, symbol of hope. Or Elanor! (Except it's very doubtful that Neville would have read Lord of the Rings.)
... and I would like for him to have a son named Briar...
But seriously, I still kind of hold with a theory I read long ago, that he won't have any children of his own, but that he'll adopt children who've been orphaned. Though, since he's a teacher, he would be doing that already, in a way.
And why doesn't Hannah manage the Three Broomsticks? (sorry, little pet peeve.)
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Post by birdg on Apr 30, 2009 17:22:40 GMT -5
Does it matter, they're wizards so it's not like the commute will be a problem. They can just Floo to work.
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Post by Rugi on May 5, 2009 18:13:03 GMT -5
I think it's interesting to think how the next generation is going to handle the past (particularly considering how disastrously bad their grandparents were at dealing with it). It's got to be tough going to a school where your classmates' parents etc. were killed/tortured by your parents etc. The last generation seemed to use the sweep-it-under-the-rug-and-forget approach, but that doesn't seem to be applying here. But honesty has its own fall-out.
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Post by vegablack on May 5, 2009 21:09:44 GMT -5
In my personal fanon, Neville becomes a teacher at Hogwarts in order to play a role in how the students and thus the rising generation deal with the past and how the future is going to be shaped. The errors of the past damaged too much of his life for him to want to be passive about how it was dealt with. (I discuss this in two of my stories.)
I struggle with the names for Neville's kids too. (Assuming he had some in my fanon right now he and Hannah have none and struggle with infertility. I'm not saying how that will be resolved in Vegablack world.) I feel drawn to having him honor his parents who have lost so much, but it also feels too much like what Harry has done.
I've thought of plant names with Frank and Alice or Augusta as middle names. I even thought of Daisy after Daisy Dodderidge the founder of the Leaky Cauldron. I considered the names of the women in the fountain of fair fortune since the story seemed very Neville like. But he seems like such a simple person with very old fashioned traditional names in his and Hannah's family I wondered if he would really go that route.
Perhaps he would name his kids after friends in the DA. JKR says that time was important to him. He wears the coin for instance. Maybe he and Hannah name the kids after some of their friends who were lost or who were important to them in the war. Hannah might want to name them after her Hufflepuff friends.
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Post by starsea on May 10, 2009 17:24:36 GMT -5
If Hannah and Neville have kids, I can definitely see them being called Hufflepuff names for the boys and flower names for the girls: Cedric or Justin, Briony or Heather spring to mind.  |
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Post by Rugi on May 12, 2009 5:39:15 GMT -5
I don't know that Frank and Alice's still being alive would be a problem. Plenty of people name their children after living relatives. It is interesting to consider whether Neville would want to name his kids after his parents though. Would he want to do it to honor them? To remind people of them? To create a rebirth for the names? Would he not want to do it, in order to avoid burdening his kids with the past? Would the names be "too much" for him, emotionally? Would it be too much to live up to? Would he want to honor the adults who raised him too? There are a lot of issues. And when you consider that Hannah also lost family, both, if they chose the family name route, would have a lot to pick from.
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Post by vegablack on Jul 13, 2009 22:52:40 GMT -5
It's an interesting question Rugi what Neville would feel about naming his kids after his parents. It would probably please Augusta and he likes to please her, but he spent so much of his life in their shadow in her eyes, he might want to break away at least over this. It might also seem like a small way to please an old lady. He might also want his parents to be remembered and honored.
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Post by queenie on Sept 22, 2009 23:47:51 GMT -5
He can always use Frank and Alice as middle names, the way Harry used Albus Severus. Or he could be less like Harry and use variants on the names - Allison, Alicia is only a few letters away from Alice, but it's a very different name. Frank is a different matter, but he could also name a child Ernest and have it be a tribute to his dad (Frank and Earnest are synonyms, plus it'd be a chance for Neville to show off the Oscar Wilde love that nobody knew he had!)
On the "Old-fashioned morals" in fic thread it was mentioned that the Potter & Weasley next gen kids would probably all be raised as cousins together. In my personal canon, I think that Andromeda Tonks would also be a member of the family as an honorary grandmother (probably very different from Mrs. Weasley, and in a good way). It makes sense, and I really like the idea on its own merits. That could also be a way that Harry keeps abreast of what Draco's been up to - hears through Andromeda, who hears from Narcissa, who's busy with her grandbabies as well.
On the other hand, I picture Fleur wanting her children to have lots of connection with their French heritage - she and Bill might get into a fight over whether to send their children to Beauxbatons or Hogwarts, because I think it's clear that she has a lot of French and Beauxbatons pride. Which is awesome! She moved to England, yes, but we don't know exaclty why - she wanted to improve her English, but maybe she stayed because she felt she was more needed there. How they would work out the difference is uncertain, but it'd probably make a good fanfic.
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Post by siriusgirl on Dec 31, 2009 15:16:47 GMT -5
What about the Weasley Grandkids?
We know: Victoire was probably born in 2000 or 2001, then Dominic and Louis. But there's also Fred Weasley II and Roxanne Weasley (George and Angelina's kids), Molly and Lucy Weasley (Percy and the mysterious Audrey's kids), and of course James, Albus and Lily, and Rose and Hugo. When do you think they were born?
The next Gen is a whole realm of fanfiction. So many things to have fun with: Where did Percy meet Audrey? Who is Audrey? When did George and Angelina get together (it's a valid point that we don't know if Angelina and Fred dated after school), when did Harry and Ginny marry, or Ron and Hermione for that matter?
As for the houses, I do think things improve we know via JKR that Slytherins did participate in the final battle including of course the head of Slytherin at the time, and probably some non-evil Slytherins suffered losses just like everyone else. We know Andromeda did. Voldemort after all wouldn't go easy on someone because they were a Slytherin if that person wasn't on his side
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Post by starsea on Jan 2, 2010 17:48:51 GMT -5
The next Gen is a whole realm of fanfiction. So many things to have fun with: Where did Percy meet Audrey? Who is Audrey? When did George and Angelina get together (it's a valid point that we don't know if Angelina and Fred dated after school), when did Harry and Ginny marry, or Ron and Hermione for that matter? Well, the epilogue is set nineteen years after 1997. We'll say for the sake of it that James is twelve going on thirteen, Albus is eleven going on twelve and Lily is nine going on ten. Rose is the same age as Albus and Hugo is the same age as Lily. You can extrapolate birth years and maybe marriage years from that, especially since I can't see either couple marrying straight out of Hogwarts. |
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Post by siriusgirl on Jan 4, 2010 10:06:20 GMT -5
I agree. We don't know when exactly they married, but right after Hogwarts is unlikely. James was probably born in the summer or early winter of 2005, Albus in 2006, and Lily 2008. Rose in 2006 and Hugo in 2008. The ones we don't know are the other Weasley grandchildren. Victoire is likely born in 2000 or 2001, since she's dating Teddy, I'd who is around 19.
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