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Post by queenie on Jul 20, 2009 3:10:17 GMT -5
Love it and want to cherish it forever, or Hate it and want to bury it in your backyard with a spoon? Discuss it here! I thought that overall the movie was very good - side-splittingly funny at times and capable of real poignancy and emotion at other points, and the opening sequence did an amazing job of conveying a sense of fear and terrorism. I thought that Slughorn's character was handled marvelously, as well as both of the young Toms Riddle. Also, I'm not one to pay attention to soundtracks, but the music playing when Harry and Dumbledore arrived at the cave just struck me to the bone. However, I thought that the energy of the film decayed after Harry and Dumbledore got to Hogwarts, that the Vandalizing Joyride of Hogwarts was simply not scary, and that the film didn't have a whole lot of ambiguity as to Snape's true alignment. Not to mention Ron's character suffered greatly in the very last scene, where it looked like it was simply Harry and Hermione for a very long time. However, I think that Rupert Grint's acting in the Amortentia scene was simply superb, and that overall he, Dan Radcliffe, Tom Felton, Evanna Lynch, and [do I even have to mention ]Helena Bonham Carter gave amazing performances. (For more details, check out my livejournal vifetoile.livejournal.com/48522.html. ) I'd like to see it again. Then again, I saw it on a midnight showing, like I did with Hellboy 2 - and watching Hellboy 2 again at a more reasonable hour, it did not come off as the gutwrenching work of staggering genius that it appeared to be at midnight, merely a freaking awesome film. Discuss! |
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Post by vegablack on Jul 20, 2009 13:21:57 GMT -5
However, I thought that the energy of the film decayed after Harry and Dumbledore got to Hogwarts, that the Vandalizing Joyride of Hogwarts was simply not scary, and that the film didn't have a whole lot of ambiguity as to Snape's true alignment. Not to mention Ron's character suffered greatly in the very last scene, where it looked like it was simply Harry and Hermione for a very long time.
I couldn't agree more Queenie, especially to the first part. I couldn't understand why Harry would stand around passive while Bellatrix Lestrange and a group of Death Eaters approached Dumbledore just because Snape, told him so. And I couldn't understand how they got past him after killing Dumbledore. The whole thing made no sense and felt perfunctory. They eliminated any doubt about Snape's motives. Bellatrix's attack on the Great Hall meant nothing. This is a magical place all her damaged could be fixed with a handful of spells. Who cared? There was no real loss there. I don't understand why Dumbledore couldn't have put Harry in a body bind spell like actually happened in the book.
Harry's reaction to Snape's killing of Dumbldedore seemed oddly detached. Hermione's comfort of him while Rupert stared oddly into space was bizarre.
Tom Felton was excellent as Draco. And all the better because most of his feelings were conveyed without lines of dialogue.
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Post by starsea on Jul 20, 2009 18:06:38 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more Queenie, especially to the first part. I couldn't understand why Harry would stand around passive while Bellatrix Lestrange and a group of Death Eaters approached Dumbledore just because Snape, told him so. And I couldn't understand how they got past him after killing Dumbledore. The whole thing made no sense and felt perfunctory. They eliminated any doubt about Snape's motives. I download a weekly movie podcast and they had a massive debate about this part (both hosts have read the books). The professional critic's conclusion was that the whole movie was so carefully planned out, they must have had a reason for doing it this way. I'm just wondering what reason. Let's face it, Vega, the movies have never been truly invested in the "is Snape evil?" question, more's the pity. He's always been written as the grumpy but misunderstood teacher, not a bitter man who despises young people in general and especially the young people he has to teach. His unfair treatment of Neville has been completely ignored, as was his hysterical fit at the end of PoA. I've become more and more disillusioned with each movie as they've stripped away Snape's complexity. (I don't blame Alan Rickman for this, he is wonderful in the part, I just wish they'd given him so much more to do.) I doubt that movie goers will be surprised when it's revealed that he was good all along, and I think they're missing out on something because of that. I'll probably post a longer version of this rant in my LJ on Friday. |
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Post by vegablack on Jul 21, 2009 10:19:35 GMT -5
Yes, the movies have stripped away Snape's complexity. All the characters complexity have been stripped away, even Harry's. In this movie he dutifully does what Dumbledore and Snape ask of him and is never torn by his own promptings and desires the way Harry is in the book. Neville is a stereotyped uncool kid, Ron is a buffoon, Lavender, a bimbo. I'm not sure any of us would care about these characters if they had been portrayed in the books the way they were in the movie. A book made of these movie characters would be boring and flat.
The sad thing is Alan Rickman is a brilliant actor. All the adult actors are, but the script and the director give them nothing to do.
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Post by siriusgirl on Dec 15, 2009 21:36:02 GMT -5
I do think Alan Rickman is brilliant as Snape, but yeah I wish they'd let Snape's complexity show more
As for the movie. I liked it, but parts of it I felt were omitted like all of the memories, showing the Merope and Tom, Tom and Morfin etc. Also, why did they change the Harry/Slughorn dynamic? Where they had Harry avoiding the Slug Club instead of trying to get close from the start? That seemed a bit off, and uncharacteristic of Harry. And they messed up the end, omitting the battle and the funeral.
Casting was good as always, Jessie CAve was great as Lavendar, and the new Slughorn was good even if he wasn't walrus like. And what was up with the attack on the burrow? That seemed unnecessary considering what happens in book 7
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Post by vegablack on Dec 16, 2009 2:27:26 GMT -5
It's great to see you Siriusgirl!
I don't know how Harry is supposed to hunt Horcruxes in book seven since Dumbledore has taught him nothing about Voldemort in the movie. We know nothing about his past to have Harry make decisions on where to find horcruxes. I don't think they discussed them hardly at all.
I don't know if they are going to incorporate some of the Gaunt scenes in flash back.
I bet their going to have Hermione discover everything. She'll teach Harry about the Gaunts.
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Post by siriusgirl on Dec 16, 2009 11:30:41 GMT -5
It's great to see you Siriusgirl! I don't know how Harry is supposed to hunt Horcruxes in book seven since Dumbledore has taught him nothing about Voldemort in the movie. We know nothing about his past to have Harry make decisions on where to find horcruxes. I don't think they discussed them hardly at all. I don't know if they are going to incorporate some of the Gaunt scenes in flash back. I bet their going to have Hermione discover everything. She'll teach Harry about the Gaunts. Probably. Oh, also they omitted the bit with Dumbledore screaming about his sister dying which we know is important. |
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Post by vegablack on Dec 17, 2009 12:28:31 GMT -5
I wonder if they are going to include any of Dumbledore's back story. Will they illiminate Grindelwald and all feet of clay for Dumbledrore? I bet they will.
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Post by birdg on Dec 17, 2009 19:31:55 GMT -5
They've already cast and shot the scenes with Grindelwald so he should be in the movie.
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Post by vegablack on Dec 17, 2009 21:12:33 GMT -5
Yes but perhaps only the parts where we discover the history of the Elder wand.
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Post by queenie on Dec 18, 2009 17:48:28 GMT -5
Oh come on... two whole movies with nothing to show but the Trio? They'll pile on the backstory if it lets them show two handsome lads in nice Period costumes romping around. What the heck else is there to film that's actually canon?
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Post by birdg on Dec 18, 2009 19:41:10 GMT -5
It does sound like they're going to film what happens at Hogwarts and elsewhere. Which makes sense. People will want to see something more of Neville, Snape, Draco, Ginny, and Luna than DH would reasonably allow.
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Post by siriusgirl on Jun 19, 2010 9:47:44 GMT -5
I read that the director cut the battle of Hogwarts scene b/c he said there was a major battle in the last book and he wanted to avoid repetition. Is it me or is that lame? JKR had a major battle in the last three books. It just seemed pointless that the Death Eaters came over just to watch Draco fail in the movie.
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Post by MWPP on Jun 25, 2010 0:46:48 GMT -5
A bazillion years ago I got into the Dune series as much as I currently am with Potter. Along came Kyle MacLachlan playing Paul Atreides - and that director wasted all that potential, too. But! Twenty years later
Greg Yaitanes did it up right with James McAvoy as the lead.
So - THERE IS HOPE! We'll just have to wait 20 years until someone who doesn't have his head up his butt comes along and does it right....
*sigh* It just makes so much sense to me to take the Western World's best-selling author and then edit the crap out of the storyline so that it completely different than what she wrote. Brilliant! Just brilliant!
Here, have some chocolate. it will help.
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Post by siriusgirl on Jun 25, 2010 17:36:21 GMT -5
And then adding that attack on the burrow, was that really necessary?
I think HBP in a way suffered from the same thing as GOF: Catering to those who haven't read the books, and that is a turn off to the readerds
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Post by MWPP on Jun 26, 2010 1:54:53 GMT -5
I had problems with that, too.
There was no reason to burn The Burrow... there was zero explanation as to what/where we were - just suddenly some people (a couple of whom we haven't seen in this movie) and a fire show up without explanation... Remus looked stupid, like some addict, and if you didn't already know Tonks might be with him, you'd have no idea who the woman was.... and since they changed the storyline and she was WITH him, why was her hair still mousy brown?
Yeah, they messed that up for no good reason.
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Post by siriusgirl on Jun 26, 2010 14:27:43 GMT -5
And what was up with Remus lashing out at Harry about Snape? When did Remus ever do that? He raised his voice against Harry in book 7 but usually he was calm and firm, and when Harry expressed distrust of Snape, Remus was logical and level headed about it. Did they have to have Remus snap instead of saying it calmly?
Anyone else bothered by how they made Harry try to chum it up with Slughorn instead of avoid him?
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