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Post by vegablack on Apr 2, 2009 14:36:28 GMT -5
What happens to Draco after the war? He's had some pretty life changing experiences. The least of which was the loss of prestige. He witnessed murders, tortures, kidnappings and the humiliation and imprisonment of his parents. How has this changed him? Or did it not change him?
What are his life circumstances now like?
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Post by MWPP on Apr 2, 2009 23:06:33 GMT -5
Draco seems unrepentant every time we see him.
The scene where he is saved again by Ron and crew on the stairs during the battle is after he's seen the destruction of the Room of Requirement and knows Crabbe is dead. There is no shock or change. He's still selfish and only looking out for his own interests.
He's managed to lose at least three wands, thus showing amazing ineptitude (and putting his family in huge amounts of danger), yet has no humility, shows no reassessment of his power(s).
He's still a Slytherin, marries another Slytherin. On the Platform he's sort of like a "dry drunk" (still acting as always has, but for no reasonable reason), is concentric/exclusive/with his own family, not friendly to others or embarassed/humble about his past. He doesn't seem to have learned anything.
So, I don't think he changed much.
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Post by vegablack on Apr 2, 2009 23:17:33 GMT -5
I felt sorry for him standing there isolated on the Platform with his son giving Harry a curt nod. I wondered if he was being ostracized. But all of that is interpretation I think.
(How did he lose three wands? I can only remember Harry taking his at Malfoy Manor and Harry knocking his mother's out of his hand in the Room of Requirement. Wow. Harry bested Draco twice. The Elder wand is doubly his.)
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Post by birdg on Apr 3, 2009 6:28:38 GMT -5
We know Asteria Greengrass is a Slytherin? She's most likely a pureblood and her sister is a Slytherin but I don't recall being told that Asteria was. LOL. Oh, Draco. Always trying and always failing.  I guess the third would be the Elder Wand that Draco Expelliarmus'd out of Dumbledore's hand in HBP. Though I don't think Draco had the presence of mind to grab that. (I wonder what would have happened to the story if he had!) Anyway, I don't think you can tell either way what happened to Draco or how he feels standing on the Platform. For all we know, standing on that platform, Draco could have been thinking deeply about what he'd had for breakfast that day. Eh, Draco was unarmed and has never been blessed with bravery or integrity (to put it mildly) and he probably can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. (Is it obvious I subscribe to the Makani view of Draco?) I don't think there was much he could do to save his skin but his best Peter Pettigrew impression. Though I wonder why on earth the Death Eater zeroed in on him in the first place - did he really not know who Draco Malfoy was and that he was a Death Eater? And are we to take that scene as evidence that Draco doesn't have the Dark Mark? Because it seems to me it would have been simpler to just roll up his sleeve and show that there. |
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Post by vegablack on Apr 9, 2009 1:05:08 GMT -5
My pity for Draco was admittedly subjective. I'm not religiously committed to my reading of the situation. (Already having a religion, I try not to claim new ones in fandom.)
I'm not sure Draco could roll up his sleeve to show his dark mark faster than he could talk. There's a lot of movement in the moment and the action might have been awkward. Speaking is immediate and clear. He might have been attempting to show his dark mark as he was speaking. Ron and Harry acted before he could.
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Post by birdg on Sept 24, 2009 4:22:54 GMT -5
Why do people write fics where Harry gives Draco back his wand? (Aside from setting up the inevitable H/D.) Since Draco's wand controls the Elder Wand and there's so much about wand lore that is not understood, I don't see Draco getting his wand back. I think Kingsley would have it destroyed.
Also, about the platform, thinking about it, Draco was probably a tad creeped out. Think about it, you're standing on the platform and notice four people from school whom you didn't like very much are now standing around staring at you as they talk about you. A curt nod and then turning away seems like the most natural response to that for Draco.
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Post by vegablack on Sept 25, 2009 9:34:24 GMT -5
Plus at least one of them is a member of law enforcement and one other is a lawyer.
I felt sorry for Draco at that moment. I felt it emphasized his isolation. I felt sorry for Scorpius too.
(I think you are spot on about Draco's wand.)
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Post by birdg on Sept 25, 2009 14:04:54 GMT -5
True! That might be enough to make anyone a bit nervous.
But yes, he is alone with just his little family rather than chatting with Zabini or Goyle or Pansy or any of his friends from Hogwarts.
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Post by queenie on Sept 25, 2009 18:59:39 GMT -5
Since Draco's wand controls the Elder Wand and there's so much about wand lore that is not understood, I don't see Draco getting his wand back. I think Kingsley would have it destroyed. ... I fail to see the logic. The Elder Wand is going to be sealed away in Dumbledore's tomb with only three people knowing its location, not brought into the Department of Mysteries so it can be studied (though I'm sure they would love the opportunity.) And from my understanding of the issue, Draco's wand has no power over the Elder Wand anyway; the moment that Harry defeated Draco, the Elder Wand passed to Harry's dominion, along with Draco's wand. In that respect, the wands are equal. If there's any wand that has control over the Elder Wand, it's Harry's holly and phoenix feather. If Draco doesn't get his wand back, he's going to be absolutely helpless in the wizarding world of the future. Sure, he wouldn't have his wand while on trial, but he'll walk free again. You can't deny a wizard his wand if you're not going to imprison him. Will Ollivander be making new wands? How long will it be before Draco could get a new one? If Kingsley is trying to be a more merciful Minister, why would he destroy the wand of a young, penitent wizard who has lost all the prestige on which he once relied? Give the guy back his wand once he's wormed his way out of a trial. It just makes things simpler! |
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Post by birdg on Sept 25, 2009 23:14:55 GMT -5
Yeah but with Harry yelling out about having this mysterious wand and who controls it during a moment when all eyes are on him and Voldything, I think some people might remember and be curious, at the least. And Dumbledore's tomb isn't the safest place - that's how Voldemort got it in the first place.
Except Harry used Draco's wand in his final duel and he defeated Voldemort because Draco's wand controls the Elder Wand. The only way for Draco to get his wand back is to best Harry in a duel and Harry would risk the Elder Wand also falling into Draco's control. There's a lot about wandlore they don't understand and that seems like a huge risk to take.
Well, there are likely other wandmakers aside from Ollivander and Gregorivitch. And in many fics Draco either steals the wand from someone who had been captive in his home or picks up one at the battle where I'm sure there must be some lying around what with all the dead people. There are ways to get wands though some aren't ethical and those wands might not be the best but they're wands.
But is it logical given what we now know about how wands and wandlore?
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Post by vegablack on Sept 28, 2009 9:10:30 GMT -5
Many in the whole society needed wands and I'm sure it took time for Draco to clear his name. Surely they were solving the wand issue as Draco did so. He wasnt the most important person alive. He did't have a right to get to the head of the line for wands.
I'm sure the Malfoys were the first to run off and find abandoned wands on the battlefield. It fits there take care of themselves personality. Lucius would have looted voldy's body first.
I'm leaning toward Birdg's argument that Draco's wand would be viewed as too dangerous to allow him to keep it. The understanding of wand lore was limited. The control of that wand had just allowed Harry to destroy Voldemort. I think everyone would want to think through carefully what was actually going on with the wand before they released it. I'm not sure it would be Harry's choice anyway. Kingsley might have grabbed it first thing.
The issue of Draco getting the wand back wouldn't apply to whether it was actuall ydangerous, but whether it was perceived as dangerous by those in power. I'm not sure pity for Draco would be an overpowering emotion at the time.
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Post by queenie on Sept 28, 2009 22:57:25 GMT -5
I'm sure the Malfoys were the first to run off and find abandoned wands on the battlefield. It fits there take care of themselves personality. Lucius would have looted voldy's body first. Good heavens, I disagree. Lucius, I think, would have been too terrified to touch Voldemort's body, or to leave the side of his family for a minute. |
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Post by birdg on Sept 29, 2009 0:45:31 GMT -5
Well, it wouldn't have done him much good since I think Harry took the Elder Wand from him (IIRC, I know Harry has it at the end). Voldy may have had other wands but we don't know what happened to them or if they all went the way of Lucius'.
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Post by vegablack on Sept 29, 2009 2:35:59 GMT -5
I guess I was being a little facetious over Lucius wanting his wand back. Though I do think he'd want to find it, to recover from the humiliation at least.
Would Harry's capture of the elder wand have affected the other wands Volde used. I could see people wanting Volde's original wand since it is implied that wands learn from their master.
I'm not sure Voldey's body would frighten after his death. Dictator's lose their power over the mind pretty fast after their destruction. He would simply be an obvious corpse suffering all the disgusting effects of being a corpse.
In people's minds Voldemort might be a special case of course.
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Post by birdg on Sept 29, 2009 10:08:04 GMT -5
Lucius' wand was destroyed during the Battle over Little Whinging.
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Post by vegablack on Sept 29, 2009 12:11:36 GMT -5
I knew I should check the book before making a comment. Sorry one and all.
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